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PostSubject: Place of Skulls news...   Place of Skulls news... Icon_minitimeWed Jul 25, 2007 3:38 am

Myspace blog... Hope Victor is doing better. Sucks... I have been there may times

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"A man wants to be healed of his melancholy, gloom, and of his
sadness. But this healing is not for you. Without your wounds, where
would your power be? It is your melancholy that makes your low voice
tremble in the hearts of men and women. The very angels themselves
cannot persuade the wretched and blundering children of this earth, as
can one human being broken on the wheels of living. In love's service
only wounded soldiers can serve. All grace, all light, all truth, all
power, and inspiration are communicated through the vulnerability, the
brokenness, and the utter honesty of men and women who have been
shipwrecked and broken on the wheels of living."
~ Thornton Wilder ~

Being broken on the wheels of living has been a common occurrence
for me it seems. But nothing compares to the brokenness of late. This
will make sense to some and to some it will make no sense at all.
We
are only men and as we all know, men sometimes fail. But when a
Christian believer falls in such a way as I, especially in the presence
of other believers, non-believers, or both, there can be devastating
effects…eternally.
Last year after a show in Germany, I let things
get completely out of control for myself. I won't get into details
here. That's why I said before that this would make sense to some (who
were there) and to others no sense at all.
Obviously just being a
mere mortal man, I have weaknesses like everyone else, and this night I
fell. Unfortunately I languished in this temptation for many
months…either not recognizing the signs of falling, or consciously or
subconsciously choosing to ignore the signs. Either way is dreadful and
dangerous.
Hypocrisy is to proclaim one thing and to live
another…. and regardless of who may have been watching, there is
nothing kept from God's eyes. So now I'm reaping what I've sewn for my
actions. It is a brutal and agonizing ordeal. Never in my
life…NEVER…have I felt the pain of such conviction.
What pains
me…and for that matter God…is that I'm supposed to be a soldier of
Christ. What I've displayed in this time was anything but what a
believer should look and sound like. To this fact I want to apologize
and repent not only to God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit...but also to
those involved and all who may have been affected by seeing me this
way.
The worst possible scenario is that I could have caused
someone that was considering a relationship with Jesus to turn away, or
cause a fellow believer to stumble by seeing my sinfulness. This cuts
to the core of my being in my relationship with God, and I can only
pray that not one person has stumbled because of me.
So now I'm on a
tough road back. I can only ask God for forgiveness and to look at my
heart and begin to dissect the contents therein. To ask God to take my
heart and put it back together in a way that's more pleasing to Him.
I also ask for your forgiveness for walking outside the lines of my personal proclamation.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us
our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness (I John 1:9)."
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PostSubject: Re: Place of Skulls news...   Place of Skulls news... Icon_minitimeWed Jul 25, 2007 10:15 am

Yeah, I talked to him a few weeks ago and he went through the wringer spiritually/mentally/emotionally recently. We didn't discuss details, but hopefully he is on the mend.
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PostSubject: Re: Place of Skulls news...   Place of Skulls news... Icon_minitimeThu Jul 26, 2007 10:14 am

Wow ...

I'm sure it takes a lot of strength for him to publicly say all those things he just said. It seems to me that he is truly repentant and I admire him for that. I have also been at this point too many times (I feel) and (to me) it is far more encouraging to see others go through it and make it out safely than to hear about the "lovely sparkly" nature of God and his forgiveness whenever I am broken down personally.

It is as Thornton said in the quote above ^^ Truer words never spoken.

I hope he makes it through everything he's dealing with.

And while he says in his statement that he hopes no one had to stumble because of him ... I hope that there are those who will be strengthened by the resoluteness of that statement and whatever changes he's planning to make in his life. I personally find that statement encouraging and hopeful.

Victor = awesome
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Seems like a lot of this has been going around lately, I'm going through a paradigm shift myself spiritually. What happened to me this past early spring made me question a lot of what I believed, I can no longer tolorate fundemental christianity.
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PostSubject: Re: Place of Skulls news...   Place of Skulls news... Icon_minitimeMon Jul 30, 2007 10:39 am

I appreciate ghosts of athanasius posting this on the Cave. I still
need much prayer. This has been the toughest time of my life. I've been
extremely humbled by it and have been reminded so many times from the
past where I've been selfish and not acted in a Godly way. May this
chastisement turn out to be the blessing of a lifetime.

Many thanks for your prayers in this difficult time.

God bless you all.

Victor
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Changed Heart wrote:
I appreciate ghosts of athanasius posting this on the Cave. I still
need much prayer. This has been the toughest time of my life. I've been
extremely humbled by it and have been reminded so many times from the
past where I've been selfish and not acted in a Godly way. May this
chastisement turn out to be the blessing of a lifetime.

Many thanks for your prayers in this difficult time.

God bless you all.

Victor
Please? Victor ! hey man ,welcome to the Cave.As you can see nothin but support and cheers for your musical output here, and more importantly,prayers. This place has kind of helped me get spiritually re-connected if in no other way just to be able to relax and have a little fun.Hope you will visit us again,God Bless you my friend,.......Steve
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sabbsteve wrote:
Changed Heart wrote:
I appreciate ghosts of athanasius posting this on the Cave. I still
need much prayer. This has been the toughest time of my life. I've been
extremely humbled by it and have been reminded so many times from the
past where I've been selfish and not acted in a Godly way. May this
chastisement turn out to be the blessing of a lifetime.

Many thanks for your prayers in this difficult time.

God bless you all.

Victor
Please? Victor ! hey man ,welcome to the Cave.As you can see nothin but support and cheers for your musical output here, and more importantly,prayers. This place has kind of helped me get spiritually re-connected if in no other way just to be able to relax and have a little fun.Hope you will visit us again,God Bless you my friend,.......Steve

What he said. You should come by more often!
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Yeah I hope he will,I sent an e-mail last night that hopefully will encourage him,just kind of reminded him just how much he means to all of us, and the spiritual light he has brought to doom and how his witness and his faith was meant to be.A spark of God seems to run through most of the east coast doom bands ,but none have proclaimed it so boldly as Victor.He is a blessing to guys like me who wanted to play music but didn't get to, because it wasn't meant to be, but his musical and lyrical endeavors are.
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Changed Heart wrote:
I appreciate ghosts of athanasius posting this on the Cave. I still
need much prayer. This has been the toughest time of my life. I've been
extremely humbled by it and have been reminded so many times from the
past where I've been selfish and not acted in a Godly way. May this
chastisement turn out to be the blessing of a lifetime.

Many thanks for your prayers in this difficult time.

God bless you all.

Victor
Hey man, I thought that might be you when I saw the username. Smile

Welcome to The Cave - glad to "see" you here. I hope this place can help you with your struggles in some small way, or at least help you to not feel so alone in those struggles. There are some good folks here who don't play the "religious card" but are still strong in their faith and will pray for you without sitting in judgment.

Again, welcome brother.

- Randy Troggish


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One thing is for sure,he knows now that he has some solid supporters here.Personally, I think everyone that is concerned should E-mail him and let him know,stuff that box!
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BEHOLD! Yay! The religous card: Yay!



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sorry ... I cannot control myself Frown
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Laughing
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No problem Victor and thanks a million for coming to the Cave.

I kind of said my heart on the comment section of the myspace blog but jsut wanted you to know that I empathize entirely. I have been through tough times and falling myself. But I also wanted to say THANK YOU both for your candor now and the tremendous amount of great music that blesses me literally everyday. I appreciate your music because it wails but also I love the lyrics. I can be real picky when it comes to that but you have the gift. Hang in there. Sometimes when we step up we get pushed back but we're never down for the count. By His grace you will overcome it all. Continuing to pray.
Grace and Peace
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Big Smile FUNNNNNNNNY!Only you, Gloom,you tree lovin man!
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Laughing Gracias senor! Keep the tree comments G rated, though, or you might have to explain some things to our man Troggy. Manic

I think I'm going to print out a bunch of religious cards on card-paper ... stick them in my wallet, and then hand them to people when they start pulling their bullsh** Furious That would be an interesting exercise for religious twats, wouldn't it? Probably would only piss everyone off though Razz
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dOOm&gLOOm wrote:
Laughing Gracias senor! Keep the tree comments G rated, though, or you might have to explain some things to our man Troggy. Manic
Nah, no worries. I'm into small electrical appliances myself. My toaster and I recently had a torrid affair... GEEN!
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YIKES!!!

Maybe after I tell Etomb and Toho about this ... they'll stop givin me crap about the tree thing. It's only natural ... trees, you see ...

Toasters, on the other hand??? Shame on you

Manmade. A product of the flesh my friend! Repent! Wanked
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Hey! Don't judge me! Shame on you I am a card carrying member of the Church of Appliantology, and L. Ron Hoover says that plooking small appliances is A-OK, as long as they can fit easily on a countertop. cool beans!

But stay away from those LARGE appliances - Whirlpoolism and Maytagality are NOT natural... Shocked
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Clearly, consulting the International Bureau of Legalism and Making Everyone Feel Like " GEEN! "'s Handbook of Illogical Apologetics for Brainwashed Laypeople clearly indicates that MY church TRUMPS your church in the game of rock, paper, yourchurchsucks ... which I just made up but will keep to myself ....

What say you!


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dOOm&gLOOm wrote:
What say you!
I fear that what started out as an informative thread about PoS has been irrevocably tainted and derailroaded. D'OH!!!

Sorry Victor... Place of Skulls news... Sigh

It's hard to keep things serious around here for too long though! Place of Skulls news... Tongue

Oh and BTW, d&g...I will be reporting your highly inFLAMINGtory comments to Pastor Hoover, and he will be contacting you directly from this point forweird. Wanked
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Manic Ah yes,it has clearly gone Goofball to Hades in a handbasket! Dee deedee Oh,and to Gloom,did you really think that Trog didn't know your little secret,just because he doesn't post there doesn't mean he might not stick his head above ground and look around occ.
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Are you kidding? Eveyone knows that Trog's flesh is scorched by sunlight. Get in the news brother.
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Well - back to the topic that was at hand, and ended up somewhere else. . . . :peace:


Uh, anyway - I wasn't there and have no idea what went on - but bottom line, God is faithful and will forgive.

Your proclamation in this instance certainly will have effects - it certainly says a magnitude to me about the contents of your heart. We are all human brother - and we fall.

God bless you - and know that we are praying for you and with you.

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dOOm&gLOOm wrote:
Are you kidding? Eveyone knows that Trog's flesh is scorched by sunlight. Get in the news brother.
If that's true then we really should petition Dave Chandler of Vitus,that henceforth the the song "The Troll" should be known as" The Trog" and should be named as such.
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I expect to be paid WELL if my nomenclature is henceforth utilized in such a fashion! Hagglin'
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