HEAVY INDUSTRIAL

Been spinning Circle of Dust's discs a lot over the past week or so. The COD: Brainchild is the best, IMO.

Have you heard his new cover of the Bee Gees song Tragedy? My first thought was "How can a heavy industrial guy cover a disco song?" but it freakin' rocks...

You guys ever heard of a band called LAIBACH? Awesome pre-industrial band from Yugoslavia.

This album is KILLER:

Tell me more, dude! I love stuff like that! Are they a Christian band?

I wouldn't call Klay weak at all, and I certainly would never liken him to Roger Martinez. I agree with almost everything he said in the HM article. Screw the legalists. Being a musician myself, I've been in his shoes and can see what he means.

If I were a vaccuum cleaner salesman, and I'm a Christian, does that mean I have to be a "Christian vaccuum cleaner salesman?" To use your word, would it be a "shame" if I didn't use my vaccuum cleaner business as a ministry?

What do you do for a living? Do you use it primarily to promote the Gospel? I suspect not... and Klay isn't any different.

For all we know, Klay does more witnessing to his friends/family/people he meets than any of us

Heh. I just re-read my last post, and I feel a bit like I'm at "certain other message boards" that we used to post at!

BlackNightSky wrote:

Tell me more, dude! I love stuff like that! Are they a Christian band?

Nope, not a Christian band, but there are God references here and there - but many of the lyrics are basically sung in German.

They are more akin to a Yugoslavian neo-Political underground movement band with a slight whiff of nazi fashion.

Oh, and I do like CIRCLE OF DUST. Mainly their s/t debut album (the original 1992 release with "Exploration" on it).

I also used to have the Brainchild album too, but I sold it years ago. I'm not really big into industrial.

I love industrial. "Dead Man's Prayer" from the Brainchild album (the COD version, not the Brainchild: Mindwarp version) is stinkin' HEAVY.

I'll have to check out Laibach. That cover is freaky.

The deal with Klay Scott and Darren Diolorasa (KLANK) is that they went to this congregation in New York. There was sexual abuse there involvoing boys (possibly they themselves but it has bever been officially stated as such). The whole thing was very poorly handled and the guy basically got away with it as far as I remember. The whole situation really screwed them up. Then Klay got accused of dealing drugs and doing drugs at C-stone which was a false story. SO between that, a bunch of other CBA bull they got very jaded and burned. They have basically given up on church as a rule and can be very cynical of anyone who calls him/herself christian.

It isn't that I don't understand where they are coming from. I think we all have our horror stories. But IMO you can't forsake the Church entirely. The New Testament doesn't allow for the lone ranger mentality. But it is a HUGE challenge at times, I think mainly because so few in the church have actually converted. They are basically still operating as pagans in a somewhat more sanitized context. Self is still Lord of their life the agendas are just wearing different clothes.

But I agree, I miss the positive content. I am not asking musicians to be evangelists. Honestly I am very uncomfortable with that idea anyhow. But I do wish that as they expressed themselves in art that there could be some room, occassionaly. for the christian worldview and a hint of hope now and then

I personally am pretty much through with the "organized" church as far as I can see. Too much manipulation and personal agendas masquerading as "holiness" for me to stomach any longer. The church I am now a part of isn't limited to the inside of a building or even to meetings every Sunday, but it is through the honest and loving relationships of a few tusted close friends - many of you here included...like it or not!

yeah I definitely get that. The Church is not architecture, well I guess it is living architechture, but I think there is still something to be said for corporate gathering, meals, bible study, preaching, etc. However, here is the kicker, it has to be centered around Jesus and measured by love. That is where it gets complicated. The minute it becomes about anything other than God first the shelf life begins and it is only a matter of time until it sours and expires. We are fortunate here that we have Mars Hill, and occassionally we travel up to Surrey to the congregation my old guitarist has planted. As long as they keep the priorities right it will continue to be a good thing. I find it near impossible to be spiritually healthy and not in some form of relationship and community.
I also wrote about it in my online journal... how lions take down the members of the herd who wander off.

But now we are not talking about anything remotely industrial so I will knock it off hahhaa

I do like Mortal's Fathom and AP2. Some of the Training for Utopia stuff flirted with industrial;

I didn't mean that to sound like a "duh" statement. Sorry if it sounded that way at all.

ghosts of athanasius wrote:

I also wrote about it in my online journal... how lions take down the members of the herd who wander off.

Plenty of those lions in the church too, and I've been "taken down" more than once by them. Until I am able to better think for myself and also to think more critically regarding the things that are preached at me (instead of just swallowing them whole), or only attending a church just because I'm afraid of getting nailed, I highly doubt I'll be joining another congregation any time soon.

ghosts of athanasius wrote:

I do like Mortal's Fathom and AP2. Some of the Training for Utopia stuff flirted with industrial;

I dig MORTAL's catalogue in its entirety, but particularly Fathom, Wake and Pura (though the last one is actually quite ambient.) I also have a cd by CHATTERBOX that is ok. Like I said before though, industrial isn't really my thing.

Nah no worries. The SINdustry is pretty jacked up. I think you are right. They totally screwed over those guys too. But I also think that is just what 99.9% of labels do. One of the reasons I don't CCM labels. I think music has to be music. You can definitely have upbeat content etc, but when it gets in the moneychangers hands things go sideways. Reach more people is doublespeak for sell more units. Many of those guys signed away publishing because they thought it was going to be a ministry. Sad!

And Randy I totally get where you coming from. It is a sad reality that a good congregation is HARD to find.

As for Mortal I love them and the Fold Zan stuff I heard. However my catalog ends with WAKE. I never heard PURA or Nu-Injin. I LOVED Wake and thought it was a great record. Lusis has its moments wihtout a doubt