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Just to let you know, this first image you have on your profile of the
hand looks very much like witchcraft. We don't want our friends to see
anything like that. Sorry.
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For the record my avatar is an image that was used as an xdisciplexad album cover.. It is an upheld hand tattooed with images from Revelation and symbolizes to stop and heed the warnings of the book. So I let them know that and then I went on to say that if I was a satanist wouldn't you want me to listen to Barren Cross in hopes of hearing the gospel or do you and 'your friends' not give a crap about the lost?

I think it is a fan run page but that is just so flippin lame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I hope you don't all run out and worship the beast now
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Oh dear me... looks like the guy running the site got his priorities all mixed up
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Well granted the Alpha, Omega, Cross, Eyed Seraphim, are all hard to make out when your head is totally up your ass

They deleted me as a friend... wow

Anti-evangelsits to the rescue once again
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Lame... wankery Lame...

"I don't get it and it scares me, so it MUST BE EVIL!!! And we alll know that evil is bad bad bad and we must run away! Run away and don't even look at it lest ye become a pillar of salt!!!!" Scaddy!

Such a powerful statement from we who are supposed to be in the hand of the most powerful Being in the Universe. Sigh
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Oh man... this HAS to be a nightmare right?

Hello,

Thank you for your message.

There may be some "good" symbols on that, but I have seen many images that very closely resemble that one; that were in fact witchcraft or eastern mysticism (I believe) hand-painting practises that are related to witchcraft and satans domain anyway. None the less, even if there's a cross and an omega sign on there, if you truly hate your enemy, why would you even WANT to look like him or resemble him in any way? I don't get it? Anybody who knows anything about that snake will NOT want to have nothing to do with him.

As to what you said about whether or not we care about the lost; Of course, but there are certain people who are locked in to their own system and will not hear, nor heed, nor change. Especially the apostate church of today. In fact, Jesus gave commandment to His disciples at times to not even go preach to a certain land at all! But rather to go where they would be more open. Much of the church is as you say; "lost", and they are very happy with their churchianity and religiosity and refuse to obey Jesus Christ when He said that the ONLY way to heaven was to believe in Him, repent and KEEP His commandments, and surrernder all idols in ones life. Everything from your money, to your love life, to your carreer, to your music, hobbies etc. You must give it ALL up to Him and let Him have you and do WHATEVER He wants with you. If you are willing to do that, you can have Him. Are you obedient to God? Or just make exuses for yourself and falsly rely upon His grace and His mercy? All those who do so will have a big nasty surprise, the second they die.

Jonah 2:8; "Those who observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy." (kjv)

Take care

Michael Drive (Mike Lee)




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Meh...you've lost nothing, bro. Pshaw! He's nothing more than one more religiously bound Christian who clings to his rules and regs as though they could save him. Even the once free "Christian metalheads" from the golden years of the movement seem to have succumbed to this mindset/heartset. Sigh

Barren Cross indeed...apparently it was barren, since Jesus didn't need to be there for Mike since he's already been saved by his rules. Neutral

Funny how the scripture he quoted is from the Old Testament, from Jonah, the prophet who just couldn't forgive an entire city because he thought they were too evil - even though God did so and commanded him to also. Not budging

I think I'll go and burn my Barren Cross cd's in effigy... Twisted Evil
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ghosts of athanasius wrote:
Anybody who knows anything about that snake will NOT want to have nothing to do with him.
And I love it when people reveal their lack of education by inadvertently using double negatives to make thier "passionate" point. Rolling Eyes

If he'd only used the word "irregardless" somewhere in there, I would have had this post bronzed and hung it on my wall! Laughing
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I just checked to see if Barren Cross was on my friends list at any of my MySpace sites so I could delete them on principle, but they're not...shucks. Grumpy


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You know I really love the band and this does nothing to detract from their former catalog but it is just sad to see a guy go south. Especially when he has been flaky on several fronts.

Case in point... his new project Drive... hardly a Jesus every other word, his look is beyond femmy to the point where I have had people who know him express concern that he has gone homosexual (for the record I don't think he has) he wears black nail polish (so does Marilyn Manson), etc... so why does Drive want to have anything remotely close to that devil worshiping bi-sexual snake?????


The whole thing is just sad. I would almost wonder if he is on drugs
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[heavy satire mode] I just went through the entire Barren Cross MySpace friends list, and let me tell you that I found some things that are a little bit inconsistent with his above statement to you, and his reasoning for not accepting your friend request. I'll post my "findings" as I have time... [/heavy satire mode]

Boy, this really pissed me off. Evil or Very Mad
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Oh no I was his friend and then DELETED!!!!!

Sad I don't get mad now I just get bummed and not for me but for him and all those trapped in that lie
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I'm thinking of making a MySpace called A.F.C. (Assholes For Christ) and seeing if he'll be my friend, and then I can point out all of the things that are "wrong" with his website... Twisted Evil

I get a little edgy with stuff like this...sorry... Neutral
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Yeah, it's sad to see this sort of behavior, however, keep in mind..

Every man is a hypocrite.. myself included.

Sometimes we take heed when others point out our misgivings, other
times, we don't..

It's hard for me to judge others, because I know all humans are
heathens at some point or another.

One thing I learned from TAOISM and other eastern thought is
not to let these sorts of things take root in my life. I have come
to a point where I realise everyone is human and suffering.
Humans lash out at others when they are suffering. Meditation is
awesome for calming the mind and also letting thoughts pass
through your head WITHOUT reacting to them or giving them power.
Our spirits and mind are so bombarded with evil everyday that
if you don't meditate/pray to sort of calm the flesh, the flesh will
take over.

One of the greatest things I have learned to overcome the flesh is
FASTING and PRAYING. When you do this, your spirit soars high
and it's like walking on water or clouds. Your spirit is calm, yet
sharp like a sword. Sometimes when I Fast, I don't won't to stop
because of the level of spirituality and pureness you attain.

I HAVE experienced Yah's awesome grace and mercy when I
deserved none and Yah continues to amaze me with his love..
even when I turn away from him..

What we MUST DO is encourage each other in THE LORD instead
of having mental religious debates that go in circles..

It's too easy to become distracted and fragmented in these times.

We should pray for Mike Lee and each other..

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Judah AriYah wrote:
We should pray for Mike Lee and each other..
Yes, this is a good point and very true. Just hard to do when sandpaper gets raked across my already ragged nerves... Grumpy
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Hey Ghosts,

Looking back on my message, I don't want you to think this line was
directed at you..

Quote :
Sometimes we take heed when others point out our misgivings, other times, we don't..

That was more towards Mike Lee. I thought his reply was
really condescending towards you. He doesn't even know you
or how you live your Faith..


Trog, yeah, that is the struggle. To pray for those who are rude or
obnoxious and seem undeserving of kindness..
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I'm thinking of making a MySpace called A.F.C. (Assholes For Christ)

Oh man yer killin me. That was verry funny.

The B/C site, ack. Its a Mike Lee thing. Jim LaVerde is a reaally good friend. He is nothing like that. Trust me, I got stories,,,,,involving farts......
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I got stories,,,,,involving farts......

All the best band stories do... such as being woken at 3am due to one local perth band member letting off the loudest one you've ever heard in the middle of a crowded camp site...

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I was thinking Mike should do a sequel to the book Where The Rubber Hits The Road..

Perhaps
When The Brain is Checked At The Door
or

When The Prima Donna Hits The Make Up Table

NKJV Justifications for a New Salem (witch trials)
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Sorry that was bitter

I love Mike's voice and I love him as a brother in Christ but this thing really got under my skin.

Anyone who knows me knows there are thousands of reasons to call me a crummy person without falsely accusing me of devil worship

Although I have to admit since I switched from beer to goat's blood I find it to be great tasting and less filling
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Its much better for the skin.
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Evil or Very Mad I am really,really sad that happened man ! Oh yeah now I AM GOING TO VENT !!!!!!!!!!!!! How dare these ridiculous egomaniacal jerks that WE put in that place through our support through buying their tapes AAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHH WHEN NOBODY ELSE WOULD TOUCH THEM and AAAAAAUUGH GOING TO CONCERTS AND [email]%&*$#@#$%^%##[/email] ing writing about them.....HAVE THE GALL TO JUDGE AND DELETE YOU AS A FRIEND,BECAUSE OF AN IMAGE........with "brothers" like these who needs a f**kin enemy,DAMN !!!!!!!!!..........okay I'm calmer now.......a wiser..but....sadder...man. Sad
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Sorry,but this stuff,I really kind of take personally since I have spent so much time and effort to promote these bands in my reviews and my column,I really honestly feel more betrayed with each story I hear........it really gets to me.Sigh
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It's the spanish inquisition!
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But seriously, I don't get this kind of attitudes. It's really impolite to say the least.
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Evil or Very Mad Grumpy One of the reasons this burns me up is because it brings back bad memories.There was a so called "Christian" mail order company called Number One Son years ago that I ordered over thirty dollars worth of stuff from,including a tape by a band called Tempus Fugit (to this day I don't know if there really was such a band ) and never recieved anything.I waited a reasonable amount of time and then sent and angry letter calling them Number One Scum and other such terms.I recieved back a very judgemental reply about my language,blah,blah,kind of similiar to the one Ghosts got.I took the higher road and apologized but know what...I never got a refund ,credit,or the products,later on I found out that many more had been done the same way !
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That sucks Steve, very lame on them but typical

You would think some who spent the better part of the 80s being wrongfully judged and misunderstood by Christian pylons would be a little hesitant to pull the trigger but oh well
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My wife thinks I went too far with the language, but I have NEVER slammed anybody like that in all these years.All these guys that seem to be losing their minds need to quit "preaching" and give it up if they are not going to be real.Its kind of crazy really but I am glad it was Sabbath and what Lee would probably call "a bunch of pot smoking sinners" named Trouble that reminded me of the Christ that I knew as a Sunday school kid, instead of a "true Christian" band.If I had heard such judgemental crap back then I might not have even got into Christian rock!
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Well we shouldnt be putting anyone on a pedistal. Im just a beggar showing another beggar where the bread is.
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Acid wrote:
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One thing is for sure and that is ,the ONLY thing I will apologize for is my language but it was to make a point,as I have said before I am generally an easy going guy but wrong is wrong.This was the proverbial last straw for me.I am trying to do something,all I can,to fight the stereotypes of believers on my page and this kind of crap is going on.In my younger days when my faith was stronger I used to wonder why people didn't just turn from listening to secular metal and listen to Christian metal,years later now sadly I kind of understand now,its the principle here,who knows how many others have been turned away because of an image ?!I don't have a problem with the classic band but it is a fact that BC played a Beatles song and how many images are associated with that band,I went through BC's friend list and found images that according to Lee's "logic" should have been removed as well,judge one,judge all I say or how about don't judge at all.To use kind of a Rings situation,how are we supposed to run to the gate and defend it, if we can't trust those beside or behind us.
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Well we shouldnt be putting anyone on a pedistal. Im just a beggar showing another beggar where the bread is.

true... though technically by Cave classification you are a Wanker Winky Laughing
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Neutral Got a reply message from Jim Laverde,he doesn't seem to know whats going on, so I explained it to him.To him I was nice,I'll keep you informed of any further e-mail activity.
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Got another message from Jim,he said he would look into it.
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Grumpy Silence speaks louder than words,guess the politics trump what is right,I'm done with it !
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Couple of observations. Jim L. is not a huge internet person. He owns and operates a business. Has a family. And is in Norway right now. Just thought you should know....
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oddly enough - Barren Cross just sent a friend request to Cauldron of Puke (http://www.myspace.com/cauldronofpuke)

It seems odd that they would add such a sinister and evil band considering the stuff in this thread!


edit - Wow, so did Mike Lee... http://www.myspace.com/michaeldrive1
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Wow I must be REALLY REALLY evil hahahahaha
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Well, we didn't want to say anything Dance, nanner!
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COP man talk about a sinsiter and evil band :P

Not to mention that Kentucky Fried Cat
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Ok so I have an ethical dilemma

I got a friend request from Barren Cross today on myspace.... along with a message that said something of the effect 'long time no see, we finally found you'

So do I accept the olive branch, let bygones be bygones or do I, based on the principle of the whole debacle, just ignore the request?

Thoughts?
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Accept the olive branch. See where it goes. Grudges are too much of a bother to keep.
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Start a tribute band to Michael D.R.I.V.E. called T.W.A.T. Evile & OOF!
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Seriously though, it's probably from one of the more balanced members of the band anyway, so I say accept the request and be done with it. Troggish

Although...do you still have that evile avatar? thinkin' reeel hard!

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oh my T.W.A.T. hahahahahahaha that was a good laugh

I do have that evile avatar I have never changed it. So it wasn't so much about keeping the grudge as much as not as wanting the bother of being deleted, having more drama, or having my friends similarly disparaged.

But I guess I can accept. I just sent them an email saying, "Are you sure?" Fool me once you know what I am saying?
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ghosts of athanasius wrote:
oh my T.W.A.T. hahahahahahaha that was a good laugh
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I do have that evile avatar I have never changed it.
Good, and you'd better not! Winky

ghosts of athanasius wrote:
But I guess I can accept. I just sent them an email saying, "Are you sure?" Fool me once you know what I am saying?
Yeah, but if they screw you again, I say spam all of their myspace sites with gay bestiality porn! Chaotic!
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Wouldn't that be redundant? I mean I thought all the D.R.I.V.E.L. stuff was gay porn? bestial to boot!
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bigjtink wrote:
Im just a beggar showing another beggar where the bread is.

Great line.

Mike Lee seems like a tool...
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TrogDawn wrote:
ghosts of athanasius wrote:
Anybody who knows anything about that snake will NOT want to have nothing to do with him.
And I love it when people reveal their lack of education by inadvertently using double negatives to make thier "passionate" point. Rolling Eyes

If he'd only used the word "irregardless" somewhere in there, I would have had this post bronzed and hung it on my wall! Laughing

I was thinking the same thing!! Laughing
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ghosts of athanasius wrote:
bigjtink wrote:
Well we shouldnt be putting anyone on a pedistal. Im just a beggar showing another beggar where the bread is.

true... though technically by Cave classification you are a Wanker Winky Laughing
Uh oh...if beggars show other beggars where the bread is, then what do wankers show other wankers?!?!? Scaddy!

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